Why use both Twitter and Jaiku? What are the differences? Can't really see any myself.
1 year, 10 months ago.
27 comments so far
Oh you are trying to start a religious war there!
Jaiku is about conversations, Twitter is about everyone shouting at everyone else. Both have their place. Noise level on Twitter can be overwhelming but the fact remains that more people in my industry are there and not here so I have to stay engaged there.
At the moment I have 8 people in my friends list and to be honest it is enough to be monitoring. You have 134, can't imagine monitoring that much info. Are there interest groups in Jaiku, where it would filter your friends etc? It is a bit overwhelming at the moment if you monitor large numbers of conversations.
The level of communication on twitter is infantile and narcissistic - typically something along the lines of "Am in X restaurant meeting important person Y" - fine if your a 20-something with delusions of importance. Jaiku lends itself to conversation. OTOH hand someone recently summed up the difference like so (I'm paraphrasing) "The difference between jaiku and twitter is, no one talks about jaiku on twitter". Jaiku is for those who've gotten over themselves and prefer conversations to statements.
Still can't understand how the two posters above, @conoro and @sxoop can monitor the number of friends they have on Jaiku! You must both sneak the laptop into the bog with you in order to keep up!
Jaiku is really just a filtered (by user) forum isn't it? I monitor videography forums etc, must invite some guys onto Jaiku, created a WeddingVideography Jaiku channel earlier tonight. Cound be very useful.
@sxoop "The difference between jaiku and twitter is, no one talks about jaiku on twitter" That's because they are sitting over here obsessing over the fact that Jaiku is a ghostland and that Twitter seems to have a much rounder discussion menu. Tonight being the exception with the whole Scoble/Plaxo fest. Personally, I can't believe the amount of characters wasted on Jaiku by people obsessing over the Twitter/Jaiku question.
@sxoop I understand your natural instinct to jump in there and champion Jaiku. But being a zealot about 'this is better than that' misses the point about these services. They are very different.
Gorton, a specific example is hardly indicative of any trend. Sample size is much too low. This discussion is a dead man walking at this stage. If you want to take a look at the different sides to the arguments, look at the history of them. This discussion is dated.
I blame jaiku noobs. So far we've had the same question asked by Pat Phelan, Tom Raftery and many others. It's usually an innocuous question asked by twitter emigrees shortly after they join jaiku, not by me though - I was a jaiku zealot from day one ;-p
@johnm - Dealing with message levels on either site is not really a fuunction of number of contacts but the individual volume. Some people I unsub from due to incessant prattle, others because (even tho they are interesting) I just can't keep up. Interestingly I'm very close to dunbar number on Jaiku and currently over it on Twitter.
Channels work very well here and are a great filtering mechanism.
@sxoop Not always by noobs. Sometimes it's started by true-blue Jaikuers jealous of Twitter. Jaiku is the Luxembourg of microblogging services. The real magnet ought to be the conversation. We ought to follow that. At this point in time, for me, it's on Twitter. We all have to make that choice.
I cross post from Jaiku to Twitter (forget which service I use for that) - imagine that would cause fun for people who follow me on both. Should only be an issue when (if?) I get more popular.
Like conoro said I think "Jaiku is about conversations, Twitter is about everyone shouting" I actually only joined Jaiku couldn't see the point to twitter when it was first buzzed about it, but I thought I would try it out after all the talk of it over here. Half an hour with it and I gave up, after first half an hour on here loved it. To be honest I think the main reason so many stay with twitter who are also here is because of the big name guys on twitter.
And I hate the way people cross post all you get is one random line, irrelevant out of context, with "from Twitter" at the end and its impossible to track the relevance back on twitter.
(no offense @ciotog I don't personally follow you so I don't know what your tweets are like)
@sxoop May I suggest that when the J-newbie surfaces with the same question, we all reply in caps? That all-caps response would inform just by appearance.
On a serious note tho, Pownce only appears to have 3800 users (going by number of invites to the launch party). I haven't seen one app built using the API. We did our little LouderVoice integration and not one hint of response from them. You'd think they'd be happy to leverage any buzz. I think I'll mail Leah about it and see if she engages at all.
I'm including 100 tips I've researched and published that might help everyone on both Twitter and Jaiku. Not sure this helps the debate, but it WILL help you with both Twitter and Jaiku strategy.
"Twittin' Secrets" - 100 Twitter strategies for power tweeting. 100% free (explore the links below):
27 comments so far
Oh you are trying to start a religious war there!
Jaiku is about conversations, Twitter is about everyone shouting at everyone else. Both have their place. Noise level on Twitter can be overwhelming but the fact remains that more people in my industry are there and not here so I have to stay engaged there.
1 year, 10 months ago by conoro
At the moment I have 8 people in my friends list and to be honest it is enough to be monitoring. You have 134, can't imagine monitoring that much info. Are there interest groups in Jaiku, where it would filter your friends etc? It is a bit overwhelming at the moment if you monitor large numbers of conversations.
1 year, 10 months ago by johnm
Just looked at Channels, answered my own question!
1 year, 10 months ago by johnm
The level of communication on twitter is infantile and narcissistic - typically something along the lines of "Am in X restaurant meeting important person Y" - fine if your a 20-something with delusions of importance. Jaiku lends itself to conversation. OTOH hand someone recently summed up the difference like so (I'm paraphrasing) "The difference between jaiku and twitter is, no one talks about jaiku on twitter". Jaiku is for those who've gotten over themselves and prefer conversations to statements.
1 year, 10 months ago by sxoop
Still can't understand how the two posters above, @conoro and @sxoop can monitor the number of friends they have on Jaiku! You must both sneak the laptop into the bog with you in order to keep up!
1 year, 10 months ago by johnm
Jaiku is really just a filtered (by user) forum isn't it? I monitor videography forums etc, must invite some guys onto Jaiku, created a WeddingVideography Jaiku channel earlier tonight. Cound be very useful.
1 year, 10 months ago by johnm
@sxoop "The difference between jaiku and twitter is, no one talks about jaiku on twitter" That's because they are sitting over here obsessing over the fact that Jaiku is a ghostland and that Twitter seems to have a much rounder discussion menu. Tonight being the exception with the whole Scoble/Plaxo fest. Personally, I can't believe the amount of characters wasted on Jaiku by people obsessing over the Twitter/Jaiku question.
1 year, 10 months ago by lexia
@lexia agreed. We've heard this record so many times before. I always rise to the question - I need to stop doing that.
1 year, 10 months ago by sxoop
@sxoop I understand your natural instinct to jump in there and champion Jaiku. But being a zealot about 'this is better than that' misses the point about these services. They are very different.
1 year, 10 months ago by lexia
Recently I invited my friends to use Twitter and Jaiku. My 10 Jaiku invites got used up in a day or so, none of them have signed up to Twitter.
1 year, 10 months ago by gortron
Gorton, a specific example is hardly indicative of any trend. Sample size is much too low. This discussion is a dead man walking at this stage. If you want to take a look at the different sides to the arguments, look at the history of them. This discussion is dated.
1 year, 10 months ago by lexia
I blame jaiku noobs. So far we've had the same question asked by Pat Phelan, Tom Raftery and many others. It's usually an innocuous question asked by twitter emigrees shortly after they join jaiku, not by me though - I was a jaiku zealot from day one ;-p
1 year, 10 months ago by sxoop
@johnm - Dealing with message levels on either site is not really a fuunction of number of contacts but the individual volume. Some people I unsub from due to incessant prattle, others because (even tho they are interesting) I just can't keep up. Interestingly I'm very close to dunbar number on Jaiku and currently over it on Twitter.
Channels work very well here and are a great filtering mechanism.
1 year, 10 months ago by conoro
@sxoop Not always by noobs. Sometimes it's started by true-blue Jaikuers jealous of Twitter. Jaiku is the Luxembourg of microblogging services. The real magnet ought to be the conversation. We ought to follow that. At this point in time, for me, it's on Twitter. We all have to make that choice.
1 year, 10 months ago by lexia
I cross post from Jaiku to Twitter (forget which service I use for that) - imagine that would cause fun for people who follow me on both. Should only be an issue when (if?) I get more popular.
1 year, 10 months ago by ciotog
I can't see the point to Twitter. Never have and probably never will. Jaiku I like.
1 year, 10 months ago by mneylon
Like conoro said I think "Jaiku is about conversations, Twitter is about everyone shouting" I actually only joined Jaiku couldn't see the point to twitter when it was first buzzed about it, but I thought I would try it out after all the talk of it over here. Half an hour with it and I gave up, after first half an hour on here loved it. To be honest I think the main reason so many stay with twitter who are also here is because of the big name guys on twitter.
1 year, 10 months ago by CiaranR
And I hate the way people cross post all you get is one random line, irrelevant out of context, with "from Twitter" at the end and its impossible to track the relevance back on twitter.
(no offense @ciotog I don't personally follow you so I don't know what your tweets are like)
1 year, 10 months ago by CiaranR
@conoro: @CiaranR: I like the shouting vs conversations analogy :)
1 year, 10 months ago by mneylon
You changed your mind then Michele? http://www.mneylon.com/blog/archives/2007/03/14/twitter-is-dumb-more-bubble-20-junk/
1 year, 10 months ago by DamienMulley
What's most interesting from my point of view is that any of us spend any amount of time defending or championing one over the other.
1 year, 10 months ago by EirePreneur
We can all have our cake and twitku too.
1 year, 10 months ago by topgold
@sxoop May I suggest that when the J-newbie surfaces with the same question, we all reply in caps? That all-caps response would inform just by appearance.
1 year, 10 months ago by topgold
Wow! Looks like I really opened a can of worms here!
1 year, 10 months ago by johnm
Yere all wrong, Pownce is where it's at ;-)
On a serious note tho, Pownce only appears to have 3800 users (going by number of invites to the launch party). I haven't seen one app built using the API. We did our little LouderVoice integration and not one hint of response from them. You'd think they'd be happy to leverage any buzz. I think I'll mail Leah about it and see if she engages at all.
1 year, 10 months ago by conoro
I'm including 100 tips I've researched and published that might help everyone on both Twitter and Jaiku. Not sure this helps the debate, but it WILL help you with both Twitter and Jaiku strategy.
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1 year, 2 months ago by dhollings
Desperately seeking @conoro on Pownce.
11 months, 2 weeks ago by topgold